with Darren Ball
Darren Ball (DB): I was 23 when I first discovered The Aetherius Society in 2009. Before that time I had no conception of the link between extraterrestrials and spirituality. In fact, I hadn’t thought very much about extraterrestrials at all until then.
However, I was searching for spiritual truth. And strange as it seemed to me, I could not deny the extraordinary and profound spiritual teaching I found in Master of Yoga Dr. George King, and the extraterrestrials Dr. King was in contact with, from 1954 until his passing in 1997.
I was privileged to interview someone described recently by a leading UK radio station as the “Guru of UFOs.” Though not willing to accept such a title, which he says belongs only to Dr. King, he has been, nevertheless, a major figure in the campaign for truth that Dr. King helped so tirelessly to pioneer and promote throughout his own life. Richard Lawrence is an international bestselling author of 11 books, including the recently released new edition of UFOs and the Extraterrestrial Message (CICO Books). He is also a leading Disciple of Dr. King, and Executive Secretary of The Aetherius Society for Europe – a position he has held for over 40 years.
I wanted to talk to Richard for the same reason that he wrote his book, i.e. to help spread the truth about enlightened extraterrestrials visiting Earth, so that spiritually-minded people everywhere might be inspired to listen, learn and act! And if we did act, what kind of world might we be able to create?
In the last few months there has been a flurry of activity and interest again in UFOs and extraterrestrials. Britain’s first astronaut Dr. Helen Sharman made waves when she suggested in January that invisible aliens may be among us. The US Government confirmed that alleged US Navy footage of UFOs was in fact genuine. And the British Government revealed that they would be releasing their previously classified UFO files collected between the early 1950s (when, incidentally, Dr. King began campaigning) and 2009.
Richard, you’ve been campaigning for governments to tell the truth about UFOs for over forty years. Now we’re in this moment where they claim to be doing that. Do you feel vindicated at all?
Richard Lawrence (RL): Well, there was a Transmission – a communication made through Dr. King – that says:
“It must be—and indeed is obvious—to all Governments upon Terra, that Flying Saucers are real, are physical, are friendly, are extraterrestrial. They cannot TRUTHFULLY deny this.”
– ‘Demand the Truth,’ Mars Sector 6, from Cosmic Voice Vol 4, Issue 16
I, together with the late Ray Nielsen and others, launched a campaign around that Transmission in 1979, which included a petition that we actually delivered to 10 Downing Street in London, England, with thousands of signatures calling for the release of the truth.
And in fact, some truth did come out, because a Minister in the House of Lords admitted for the first time that they had UFO records on file.
But the big thing is that right through the forty years you’re talking about, there have been denials. Things have leaked out, but they have rarely been authenticated by governments. Now, what’s changed – and this is progress – I don’t think it’s total vindication – is that now the position of the government in Britain is basically: yes, we have UFO sightings on file, and we’re going to release some of them – they haven’t said “all of them.”
The American Government has confirmed the US Navy videos are genuine. They’ve described them as unidentified. They’ve now changed the term Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO) to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), which is just a ploy, I would say – a rebranding – to probably try and make people take less notice of it. But anyway, let’s be positive. They have done this. Even the President of America has been interviewed on it, according to, I believe, Reuters, and has said that he thinks it’s “a hell of a video.” And, he wondered out loud whether it was real, which either means he doesn’t know or that he’s not being completely candid. And my guess is that he doesn’t know whether it’s real.
So that is a sort of staging post, if you like, in the UFO story. But we haven’t yet got to the finishing post where governments have said they’re real, they’re friendly and they’re extraterrestrial.
DB: What do you think of the timing of the release of this information?
RL: There’s an old saying in politics: you need a good time to bury bad news. By which I mean that a time when everyone’s mind is on something else is the best time to bring out a piece of bad news. This isn’t exactly bad news, but it’s embarrassing for them, because it wasn’t so long ago that the Pentagon was basically saying that they did lie about UFOs, but only because they are American secret aircraft. Well, now they’re not saying that. In fact, it’s come out thanks to a man called Luis Elizondo, who was a Pentagon official working from 2007 to 2012 in the Department of Defence in America on a program to investigate UFOs. He said that there is nothing in the American inventory or any other inventory on Earth that could duplicate the manoeuvrability and the flight abilities of these craft.
It’s embarrassing for them because It shows that they have covered up the truth. Therefore, it’s a good time to reveal this during the coronavirus crisis. It’s very cynical. I can’t say I know it for a fact, but it looks to me as though they picked this time. The footage has been around for many years, one of them was taken in 2004 and the other in 2015. Suddenly, at the height of the coronavirus crisis in America, they release this. So, yes, I think that was deliberate.
DB: In fact, it was only today that these stories were covered online in two of the biggest national selling newspapers in the UK – The Sun and The Daily Mail. How does this relate to the timing of the new edition of your book, which is also out today in the UK?
RL: Well that’s extremely interesting because I didn’t know until Saturday – just a couple of days ago – that this book was being launched on May 5th in the UK and in June in the USA.
This is a new edition by a publisher – not The Aetherius Society – but a publisher called CICO Books with a new foreword, which incidentally mentions the US Navy videos. And it comes out at a time of apparent abnegation of responsibility by governments – not just Britain and America. The Japanese Minister of Defence came out last week as well and said that he’s going to look at a response that their forces could make, should they have a UFO encounter.
In the midst of this comes out a new edition of UFOs and the Extraterrestrial Message, with a chapter on “Primary Terrestrial Mental Channel.” There is also a chapter on “The Extraterrestrial Message” containing Transmissions, selected by Brian Keneipp, Executive Secretary of The Aetherius Society in America. These answer many of the questions people are asking.
DB: Can you talk more about why you would say The Aetherius Society is the best place to come for these answers?
RL: Well, the best place you can go to get the answers about UFOs are from the Beings who man them. How do you do that? You investigate people who claim to have been contacted by those Beings. You need to discriminate very carefully, as Dr. King recommended, because there are fakes and deluded cases out there. In doing so, you look for the most substantial, genuine cases – the longest record, the broadest and deepest knowledge and the most effective programme of cooperation with extraterrestrials.
I do not know of any organization or claimant that compares with Dr. George King and The Aetherius Society. So I think you come right to The Aetherius Society if you want to know these answers.
DB: So you started to talk about some of the history there. I thought we could go back into the history of The Aetherius Society, particularly to the 1950s when Dr. King was first campaigning for the truth about UFOs and extraterrestrials. Can you tell me more about that period?
RL: I’ve campaigned on this for 40 years, but that’s nothing compared to what Dr. King did. When I started there was scepticism – more than scepticism, attacks. I remember giving lectures and getting heckled by some people in the audience just for saying that there was a government cover-up. It probably sounds strange to you, Darren, to think that, you know, the idea of governments covering things up and lying was regarded as a bit nutty then, when now everybody knows it. But imagine then going back 25 years earlier than me. My goodness, you’d be savaged by the media; mercilessly ridiculed.
But that didn’t stop Dr. King at all. He was fearless in that respect. He launched a rally in Trafalgar Square in central London in 1958 to demand the truth from governments about flying saucers. That in itself was highly controversial because governments in America and Britain at that time were denying that they had any hidden files, completely mocking it, and they had a policy of debunking the whole topic.
In the book, there’s an extract from a Transmission that was delivered on September 15th, 1956, by Mars Sector 6, called ‘The Conspiracy’ which explains how the so-called silence group worked. It also gives the solution, which is spiritual power.
DB: Could you talk a little bit more about anything that distinguished Dr. King as an early contactee?
RL: One of the things that was remarkable about his contacts in that period is that right from the beginning Dr. King linked UFOs to spirituality.
In a very early Transmission on October 26th, 1954, an extract from which is published in UFOs and the Extraterrestrial Message, the Master Aetherius made it absolutely clear that they were Spiritual Beings. That they live and they exist, as he put it, in subtle states and they only use coarser bodies when necessary.
“It is not possible for me to give English names, for the constituents of the molecules of the subtle bodies, because you have no words to describe them. So tenuous are these bodies, that it would be like giving a name to the molecules of your Soul, as it were.”
Of course, in those days scientists had not discovered what they have since about invisible matter and a multidimensional universe. One thing that marked Dr. King out from the very beginning, was the linking of UFOs with spirituality, metaphysics and, if you like, religion.
In the first Transmission Dr. King received in public on January 29th, 1955, extracts from which are published in the book, the Master Aetherius said:
“Our belief in an Absolute Architect, an Absolute Creator, thinking into being certain laws which are immutable, these are the things we study first; secondly we apply these laws to our political system and our educational system. We do not try to get the laws to fit in with our preconceived ideas of what things should be, we make our systems fit the law. When you do that, you will become luminous in the heavens, you will immediately go one step further upwards, you will immediately be showered by Flying Saucers and Mother Ships, call them what you like, who will come from planets to walk your Earth.”
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